User talk:No Offense

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Layout
Hello, thanks for your edits! Please ensure that images/content is below the improvement template(s) on an article. You may want to consider editing in source mode if you don't already, the layout guide might also help. Here's an example of how I corrected one of the edits. If you have any question please let me know. -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 19:49, October 13, 2012 (UTC) Thrranoids have strange reptile skin, and may be possibly similar to reptiles. All breeds of Tyhrranoids have stalk eyes, though the number varies. Tyhrranoids with more stalks are larger and stronger.
 * Please take greater care when inserting images. This edit shows how you actually inserted an image in the middle of a sentence - while it doesn't effect the appearance it does greatly effect the wiki code. -- Hunterj [[File:Hunterj icon.png]] Hunterj's Resort 13:38, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. I believe you are using the visual editor, as opposed to source mode, which means if you're not careful about where the cursor is placed when inserting an image it can effect the code. For example:

The image code is in the middle of the sentence as opposed to before the paragraph, presumably because the cursor was there while using the editor. I strongly recommend you check your edits in source mode or ideally switch to edit in source mode through your preferences. If you need any further help please let me know. Kind regards, -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 16:07, October 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * We strongly recommend it. It can take a little while to get used to it, but once you do it's much more precise and should stop these image code issues. If you need any help with source mode editing check out Help:Source mode or for more info http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents and especially http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting can help. Kind regards, -- Hunterj [[File:Hunterj icon.png]] Hunterj's Resort 22:28, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

My Current Role
I'm playing Full Frontal Assault right now, so you'll likely see loads of info from that being put into the wiki. Feel free to chat about posted info if you wish.
 * Just a quick question, Korgan Refinery already exists as Korgon Refinery. Is this a typo on your part or is it a regional thing (and if so what region are you?). I have the PAL version of the game and it's spelled as Korgon. -- Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 11:53, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, if it is a regional thing, and your game as the North American version spells it as Korgan, then your version is correct as we use the American titles/spellings etc. Whichever article is correct we should redirect the other to it after merging the content, let me know if you want me to help with any of that. Thanks, -- Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 17:48, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'll check to make sure which spelling they use, when I find out, I'll reply back. (UTC) User:No Offense 1:27 PM Dec 18, 2012

Tense
Hi, thanks for all your contributions. Just thought I should remind you about our manual of style - the in-universe content should be written in the past tense, while real world content (skill points, guides, multiplayer etc) should be in present tense. -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 16:44, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Cleaner bot
Hello. Thanks for all your edits lately. I've moved Cleaner Bot back to Cleaner bot as in-game I've not seen the Cleaner Bot capitalized. -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 20:56, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Re:
Okay, thanks for letting me know, sounds like a very good idea. We probably should have a sub-section for spacecrafts. Try to keep the conjectural names as generic as possible (I mean avoid speculating where possible, just try to be descriptive) - this can be difficult but it's not a major issue as we can always discuss renaming any after if needed. Let me know if you need any help at all, I might be able to help particularly with images. Many thanks, -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 10:57, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

IRC meeting
Hi, you've been really active lately and I just thought I'd mention our IRC meeting coming up this Saturday if you didn't already know. I'd really appreciate as many people's attendance as possible so if you can make it please join us! If you need any help let me know. -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 22:09, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do have Full Frontal Assault - a lot of resolutions don't seem to be supported for splitscreen. For example playing through AV output didn't have support but when I used the HDMI output (same TV - I have a non-HD USB capture device) it did work. Insomniac Games might actually be able to help you, they're pretty good at responding to issues so they might be able to explain or something if you send them an e-mail. Regarding the IRC meeting If you want to raise some issues I recommend you put them on the IRC meeting agenda in advance - obviously it's best if you can attend to fully raise any topics you'd like to discuss but if you can't make it you could outline your idea(s) and it'll be raised at the meeting if it's on the agenda, even if it's just a brief discussion. Hope that helps a little anyway. -- Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 01:05, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Signature
I've just noticed the odd timestamp on your signature, do you sign with ~ ? If not, have you had a look at Help:Signature and R&C:SP? -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 16:21, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Articles that have conjectural titles
Instead of adding articles to the category "Articles that have conjectural titles" could you please use conjecture at the top of the page instead? Many thanks, -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 11:37, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

IRC meeting
Hi, do you know if you can join us for the IRC meeting tomorrow? -- Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 22:56, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * UTC is Universal Coordinated Time. I believe it is currently the same as GMT. It's at 10:00 UTC. If you need help with timezones I'm on the IRC now if you want to join. -- Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 23:26, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I just missed you. If you want to try again I'll pay more attention! Sorry. -- Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 23:41, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just missed you on IRC. If I'm marked as away you can try to alert me by typing /msg nick message so for example /msg Hunterj|Away Hello. I might be away but that might alert me if I'm around. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 23:52, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re:
No problem. I recommend starting a forum. Just create a page staring with Forum: and I'll add it to the relevant list later. That way we can discuss the naming of the articles and have a list of all the species you intend to create. As with anything slightly speculative, citation would be very appropriate. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 12:33, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Jargonian Needle Torture
When is Jargonian Needle Torture mentioned in TOD and ACiT? It's a comprehensive article, so it really needs all of that info. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 22:23, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Captain Slag mentions Jargonian Needle Torture in ToD, which Pirates practice on themselves from time to time. In ACiT, Argos is said to have survived this sort of abuse before. (UTC) User:No Offense 5:29 PM Feb 6, 2013
 * Ah, thanks. Any chance you could direct me to a YT clip or at least the scenes where this is said? Would help greatly in expanding the article, unless you want to do it yourself of course! -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 23:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fantastic. Thanks. I'll work on it tomorrow. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 01:05, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Templates
Hi, when you add (mentioned only) and (first appearance) to an article, instead of typing that out please type mo for mentioned only and 1st for first appearance (1stm for first appearance and mentioned only). Take a look at the template pages themselves for further info or let me know if you need any help. Many thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 01:17, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox images
Hi, thanks for your edits. Just a brief reminder about the infobox images. This shows how I've corrected the infobox, don't use thumb in the infobox images as it disrupts the formatting. Let me know if you need any further help. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 21:46, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

First appearance
Hi, the template your looking for is 1st. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 16:50, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Featured user
I'd like to nominate you for featured user if you're interested. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 19:12, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! You're one of our most active users at the moment. I've nominated you now. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 19:42, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

File

 * If you didn't already, we strongly recommend only using Special:Upload to upload files. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 18:14, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Photos
If it's a piece of art (concept art, etc) it should be the artist if you know who it was. If it's a screenshot it can be whoever took the screenshot. It's acceptable to leave this blank if you're not sure, and you don't really need to fill it in at all for screenshots unless you want to. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 00:01, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Link
Hi again, was this link intentional? -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 00:30, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

User:No Offense 8:35 PM March 11, 2013
 * Yeah, I plan on working on them when I get the chance and information I need to write about, those two robots are considered characters by the game.
 * Right, wasn't sure if it was a mistake or not that was all. Thanks! -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 01:05, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Quote templates
Hi, if you ever want to practice or experiment you can use the sandbox. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 20:57, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also could you tell me about the non-canon appearance of the Fongoid in FFA? I didn't notice could do with some more info. Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 21:12, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Fongoids appear non-canonically in Full Frontal Assault as part of the ranking system, there might be a photo in the photo gallery that shows the ranking system. User:No Offense 1:48 PM March 14, 2013
 * Excellent. Thanks. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 19:29, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Deletion
Thanks for your edits. If possible could you please use delete to mark pages needing deletion instead of using the category? It's not a big deal but would potentially help. Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 01:19, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes/orphan template
Thanks for adding all the infoboxes lately. It's really appreciated. Separately you've removed a number of orphan templates from pages that are still orphans - orphans are pages that are not linked to from any other page on the wiki. The orphan template contains a link to the Special:WhatLinkHere/Pagename page to determine whether the page is still an orphan or not. Let me know if your still uncertain about how this template works. Many thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 15:10, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Oops, that wasn't intentioned. Which pages did I wrongly remove the orphan status. User:No Offense 4:08 PM March 25, 2013
 * It's not a problem - I reverted: Bomber Minion and Amaris 3. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 23:05, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

So are these pages orphan pages because no where else in the wiki mentions it, or is it an orphan page because its in no category page? User:No Offense 7:40 PM March 25, 2013
 * Orphans are pages with no other articles linking to them. For example Special:WhatLinksHere/Bomber Minion. The template has a link to the page which lists articles linking to it, if it's empty the template should stay if there are entries it can be removed. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 15:39, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Categories
Hi, just a quick note taht I've deleted Category:Ratchet and Clank planets and created Category:Ratchet & Clank planets instead. Where possible (not a big deal, don't feel you have to) when adding these new sub-categories could you remove the parent category, for example Category:Planets? Thanks for all your work! -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 20:42, March 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also the indirectly mentioned only template is imo - hope that helps. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 20:44, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused, why would you want me to delete Category:Planets? User:No Offense 4:47 PM March 27, 2013
 * The category structure should work with everything coming from the original category (a category tree). Articles placed in categories should usually not also be placed in that category's master or parent category. So the planets category really should have no articles in it eventually, they should all be in appropriate sub-categories that are inside the planets category. With wikis categories are a more of a navigational structure rather than a tagging system. The category tree for Category:Planets should link to further categories which group the articles, rather than grouping the articles itself if that makes sense. It can be a little hard to explain so please let me know if you still don't understand - my explanations aren't always the best... -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 20:57, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

So correct me if I'm wrong, if planet Damosel contains a link category of Planets and Going Commando planets, I should delete the former, because Going Commando planets already connects to Planets category? User:No Offense 5:02 PM March 27, 2013
 * Yes, that's essentially it. There are some exceptions but generally you can't go far wrong with that approach. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 21:05, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Seems a bit odd, I'm not sure that's truly effective method in my opinion, but if thats the rules of this wiki, I'll make sure to change my habits accordingly. User:No Offense 5:10 PM March 27, 2013
 * It's ensures the category tree functions and navigation through the system is effective, rather than functioning like tags used for blogs etc. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 22:06, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

User page
Hi, someone made an edit to your user page. Feel free to revert and I'll speak to the editor. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 15:45, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Fate unknown
Hi, we don't need to document unknown information so I've removed the category. If the information is unknown it's simply not covered e.g. an unknown sector in an infobox would just be left blank. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 16:41, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

The purpose of the category was to list characters who's current fate is unknown, like Max Apogee who might either be alive or dead, much like we have a page for deceased characters. I thought it was a good idea, but your Admin, so I'll respect your decision on the matter. User:No Offense 12:48 PM March 29, 2013 Also, if the characters status is neither active or deceased, it probably should be fate unknown or MIA or something.
 * I understand what you're saying, I completely agree with your line of thinking. The issue is why cover something we don't know? It's speculative and also it could apply to a huge range of characters that we know very little about - again seeming speculative. By not stating anything about their status, we're not speculating and it's still 'unknown'. However my word is by no means final on anything on the wiki, feel free to add it to an IRC meeting agenda or let me know if you'd rather open a forum (assuming you want to debate this) - and that goes for anything you disagree with. I'm not going to be offended by anyone who disagrees with me! -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 18:45, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

User of the Month
Congratulations, you are the user of the month for April 2013. Thanks for all your contributions, feel free to add the following to your user page.

Sorry it's a little late! -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 13:46, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Starshield
Feel free to say no, but I was wondering if you could help me by reading through Starshield to see if I've missed anything or if anything could be improved, and also (if possible) by creating some of the red links. Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 17:17, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear, I didn't see this comment you made awhile ago. When I get the time, I'll take a look and reply back. No Offense 10:39 AM July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sapient Species
I just realized something. If the point of your new category is to fill it with all the self-aware, intelligent species, I'll tell you we already have a category for such a thing. Category:Intelligent Races Stars and Stripes (talk) 04:42, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh I know that, I myself crafted this category long ago, I think before I became an official member too. Sapient Species sounds better then Intelligent Race now that I think of it, and thus I'm moving everything out of Intelligent Races into Sapient Species. No Offense 12:48 AM July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * On a similar note, just in case you don't see it as the recent changes are pretty busy today (thanks!) I've commented on Category talk:Sapient species, Forum:General and also added a related item to the IRC meeting agenda for longer term discussion. Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 13:51, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Citation
The citation page explains how citation works, specifically the "How to reference an article" section but let me know if you need any further info. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 13:40, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I also forgot to mention that it's good practice to use a ref name for single references, even though it is not technically required. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 13:41, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing
Hi, thanks for your efforts to provide sources. Just a quick note that [src] is just a link to the existing source. [source?] is where a reference is needed. [src] only tend to appear in quotes so if you see [src] after a quote then that's fine, as long as it's not [source?]. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 22:14, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

I'm getting a bit confused, I added a source for a quote in the Grungarian page, but you removed that and replaced it with a [src]. Do admins determine whether it just needs a [src] or a mention on the reference section on the page. Or, do quotes simply need a [src]?

No Offense 6:35 PM July 31, 2013 (UTC) "Quotation text"
 * Sorry, I can understand why this can be confusing. Normal articles are fine but display the text " [source?] " when the fact template is used, indicating they need a source (anyone can tag sentences with this as appropriate). These should eventually have fact removed and a source used. However quotes use the following syntaxt:

- Who said it

e.g.

"Plumbers don't just..."

- The Plumber to Clank

The example displays the following:

"Plumbers don't just..."

- The Plumber to Clank

The " [src] " is a link to the source of the quote. " [src] " is different to " [source?] ".

However if the quote doesn't have a source e.g. "Plumbers don't just..."

- The Plumber to Clank

Displaying:
 * <span >"Plumbers don't just..."
 * &#8213;The Plumber to Clank

It will come up with " [source?] " instead indication a source is required.

I hope that makes more sense if not then please let me know. Essentially if " [source?] " is present on an article it will be in the category Articles requiring citation and needs a source. But the text " [src] " is fine. Again, sorry for any confusion. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 23:20, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think I understand the difference between [src] and ["source"?] now, though I'm still confused why my citation for the quote on the Grungarian page was simply replaced with [src]. I understand why the ["source"?] was removed from quote, but I'm confused why it no longer needs a citation number or a mention in the reference section of the page. How would anyone be able to verify the quote was accurate at all if you can't see it on the reference page. Hopefully I made my question more clear, I don't think I made myself entirely clear the last time. Thanks for explaining it to me, it is quite tricky to understand at first.

No Offense 7:42 PM July 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, I see what you mean. All that's required in the article as a source for the quote is the game, or comic name etc. If there's any issues over validity then it can be discussed with more precise references on the talk page, but generally speaking that's enough. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 00:06, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically speaking our general sourcing policy (so for main article content rather than quotes) encourages the use of game names (possibly with descriptions) rather than YouTube clips but until an article reaches FA, GA or CA status more precise references can be essential in many cases to ensure validity and make it easy for users to collaborate. Sometimes the game along with a description of where can be used as a source works as well. But don't let that stop you from using YouTube clips as sources, the fact that you're sourcing at all is a huge help and many users don't do it. I just thought I'd explain the ideal longer-term goal of the articles. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 00:10, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Orphan template
Hi, you don't need to categorizes articles into Category:Orphaned articles. When you add the template it automatically categorizes the pages. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 14:06, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Quote template
Hi, thanks for all your edits lately. It's really appreciated. Just a minor point about the quote template. When using it there's no need to add an extra vertical bar at the end e.g. the last | isn't needed "Sir, permission to speak? This place stinks."

- Green Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 02:50, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Nice Work
Thanks, and no problem! -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 11:23, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Deadlocked cut content
Just want to say thanks for all the help with the obscure Deadlocked content, looking at inaccuracies with the Tyhrranoids as well. A lot of mistakes you've found could have remained unnoticed for a long time. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 22:14, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Why thank you, I appreciate your comment very much. The Tyhrranoid page is quite a mess, and I'm not sure how it'll be fixed, which is why I'm avoiding it for now.

One of the biggest problems I've noticed are articles that really should be split up. For example, there are multiple types of Fusion Turrets in the Ratchet & Clank universe, but somehow they are all shoved together in one article. It makes sense to have a page that discusses Fusion Turrets as a whole, but the Fusion Turrets throughout the games should still be separated nevertheless.

By the way, demo content is non-canon if it doesn't match the actual game, correct? I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this question, but I might as well ask just in case.

One other question, I remember asking you this question long ago, but I can't remember your response to it. It was about creating a page devoted toward outside influences that make it into the Ratchet & Clank universe, like how President Phyronix voice sounds like Bill Clinton or appearances of Jak and Daxter in Going Commando.

No Offense 8:37 PM August 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes Tyhrranoid is something I've put off for years... Splitting up pages is definitely important in many cases, but using the talk pages is key to ensuring the move is implemented well e.g. including disambiguation pages if needed etc. unless it's really obvious.


 * Demo content is non-canon if it's not in the final released game yes.


 * The problem with articles about outside influence are that without souring it's very hard to avoid just a list of speculation or similarities which wouldn't be in the scope of the wiki and most of the claims can't be sourced. For many proven influences e.g. information from Insomniac (Full Moon Show for example), or appearances of Jak and Daxter behind the scenes is usually an appropriate space (Jak and Daxter have their own articles). If you're really interested in creating a page then feel free to use a sub-page like User:No Offense/Influences for example. Unfortunately it's just too speculative to fall under the aim of the wiki, and with trivia in particular, we have too much of that already. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 15:01, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

File
Hi! Thanks for your contributions to Ratchet & Clank wiki! We kindly request that you provide a source for as soon as possible or the image will be deleted. See the source and license help page for help. The image help page and image upload page may be useful and there is also a step-by-step uploading guide. You may wish to review our image policy and if you have any questions or concerns, feel free to leave me a message. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 15:55, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Template
Hi. I've moved the template to conjectural spelling as we need a template for titles which we're not 100% sure on the spelling. However for other articles like Scorpio, Courtney Gears etc we just need to look at the sources on the talk pages and decide whether we need separate articles or the same article depending on if they're the same character or not. If you disagree at all that's fine just let me know, particularly if you think I've missed something in doing this. Thanks for creating the template. We've needed this for a while. And good quote by the way! I often find that hard! -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 18:35, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sure thats fine, though I do want to add that some pages might be spelled wrong, they could be correct for all I know. Also they simply might not be pronounced correctly. No Offense 2:44 PM August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes but as we have no way of knowing for certain with these articles it's still conjectural. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 13:47, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * To be honest I don't think it's necessary. If the information is out but the article's not up to date yet then obviously stub and expand/expansion can be used and if not then the article is as complete as it can be at this time. I don't think it's needed especially as it's only a temporary problem. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 13:54, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Inuse
Hi, you're work on Dallas Wanamaker made me think the inuse template might be useful. Basically add it at the start and then remove it when you've finished working on the article for a while. If it's a big project leaving it there for a day or two is fine as well so long as you're actively editing. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 23:23, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re:New image and quote for Citation template
That is a good quote but personally I quite like our current citation template, however perhaps one of these templates could use something like "Either you start updating this junk, or I'll find someone who will!"

Template:FA update Template:GA update Template:CA update

Or even Template:Tense could have a modified version.

Just a few thoughts. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 00:39, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Cool, I'll add one of Vox's quote to one of these, it might make more sense with one of these anyway! Heck, I'll find better quotes for them all! Thanks Hunter!

No Offense 11:03 PM August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Featured article
Hi, I'm kind of bending the rules a little but we need a featured article for September (ideally within next hour or so) and we're one vote short. Would you mind taking a look at the nomination as soon as you get a chance? Ratchet & Clank wiki:Featured article. Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 22:14, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Canon categories
Hi. Thanks for all your contributions lately, you've made literally hundreds of edits and they're really appreciated! I'm not too happy about the canon characters categories you've created. The normal categories should be canon anyway, and separate categories for cut content. For non-canon content the non-canon categories are fine but I was thinking that it appears to mostly be used for skins. In which case the character only appears as a skin so perhaps this comes under the item on the IRC meeting agenda about separate articles for skins. Anyway let me know what you think, and if we decide to make any changes I can get my bot working to correct/remove categories if required. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 21:37, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * In other news if you could take a look at the IRC meeting page I'm hoping to organise a meeting at somepoint and it'd be good if you could attend so let us know when you'd ideally like the meeting to be held. Also, after checking the rules about multiple nominations in one year, I've nominated you for featured user (you were last user of the month in April). Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 16:47, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'd love to attend an IRC meeting, but several factors might prevent me from doing so. I live on the eastern seaboard of the U.S., and if I recall, most members of this wiki live in Europe; figuring out a good time period would be difficult. Also, I'm quite busy with work and all that jazz, so the best day for said meeting for me would be a friday. Lastly, I forget how one accesses the the chat room for this wiki, since I haven't used a wiki's chat feature in years.

In response to your question about the canonical and non-canonical character categories, I currently have mixed views about it. You see, I thought the character categories could be split up into two or three subcategories, so browsers could find which characters appeared in the name canonically, which characters made a non-canon appearance, and which made none at all. However this concept only really makes sense for Full Frontal Assault and Deadlocked, not for the rest of the games. You may delete the Canon, Non-canon appearances if you want to, I guess it doesn't really make sense as a whole for the wiki.

No Offense 6:04 PM September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the concept but yeah, I just don't think it fits the structure. What times (with your time zone if you want, I can work it out from that) would work for you on a Friday? Also to access IRC just go to R&C:CHAT. There are other ways to connect on our IRC page, but CHAT is the simplest. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 22:10, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Depends, how long do meetings typically last? I personally think 11:00 PM or 11:30 PM is a good point for me to start (as long as I'm not interrupted by outside factors), but if its too much of a hassle for everyone else, then go on without me. I do appreciate your attempts to include me in the meetings, your pretty cool guy Hunterj.

No Offense 10:20 PM September 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping for it to last just over an hour, but it shouldn't last any longer than two hours. Do you know what time zone you are in?


 * Separately can I ask about what the difference between "Characters who are gladiators" and "Gladiators" category is, specifically why we shouldn't just use the gladiators category? -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 14:45, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

I live on the eastern seaboard of the U.S.A., so my time zone would be similar to that of say New York City or something. For example, its 3:30 right now for me. I'm not sure if this is the information you wanted or not.

And the characters who are gladiators category contains characters only, the gladiators category could include both characters and enemies who are gladiators.

No Offense 3:30 PM September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying about the gladiators. That would mean 11:00 for you would be the early hours of the morning for the UK and most of Europe I think. We'll try to consider it anyway, have to wait and see who else can attend first. Thanks, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 19:35, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Just a reminder, when I say 11:00, I mean 11:00 PM. Just wanted to clarify that point.

No Offense 3:38 PM September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry yeah, I did get that. That's about 4 AM in the UK and around that for most of Europe I believe, maybe a couple of hours later. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 20:53, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

A few things
Apologies in advance for the really long message, I've split it into topics for convenience.

Visual voice actors
Thanks for making the visual voice actor's character pages. It's good to see editors being bold with new content. However it does bring up a few issues including copyright as images under copyright are used under fair use, which is less likely to apply in a gallery. I'm also not fully convinced they are within the scope of the wiki as the pre-existing written lists would be fine (with a few select images in the article perhaps), as each character has their own article and with the categorization you've largely completed as well it seems a little unnecessary.

Also it may be more appropriate to merge them into the existing voice actor articles (though I'm not certain how I'd feel about that). We don't tend to use galleries and the visual monsterpedias are purely for identification, as many enemies will not be known by name. Obviously this is just my opinion.

I'm not going to delete the pages or ask that you do anything about them. Perhaps they should be discussed at somepoint but it's certainly not top of my to-do list! I'm just asking that, while it's good to be bold with editing and it is something I certainly encourage, it might be better to mention some ideas in the forums (they're not ideal but I will eventually reorganize them a little...) or at least with other users first in future. This is particularly important when content could fall outside the scope of the wiki or the article is significantly different to the regular mainspace articles.

Influences
I've struck the influences item from the IRC agenda because the following was previously decided "A page about the influence of popular culture on Ratchet & Clank may be created if of good quality and is sourced thoroughly." This means it can be created but must be fully sourced and must not have speculation or assumed content which may make it impossible to create. However I've been proven wrong about that before (look at the Timeline). Regardless you're more than welcome to make it on a user sub-page e.g. User:No Offense/Influences if you're particularly interested. Also feel free to add it back on the agenda if, after reading this, you would like it discussed again.

IRC meeting
So you are aware if there are no responses in the next few days about the IRC meeting then I think I'll move it all over to a new forum system and postpone IRC meetings indefinitely. Sadly there aren't many users active in discussion so perhaps forums would be the fairest way.

Thanks so much for all your contributions, they are greatly appreciated. Kind regards, -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 20:03, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, is the IRC Meeting cancelled tonight, I thought others were attending? You'd think there would be more people here to attend since Into the Nexus is almost out for PS3.

P.S. I did ad the influences idea into the agenda, because I still think it has some merit to it. I mean I understand where your coming from, someone can speculate all kind of stuff about Ratchet & Clank. Yet at the same time, Insomniac makes it clear who they're poking fun at times (with examples noted by me and other users). Thats why I added it to the agenda, cause I felt it had some merits to be discussed (wasn't aware however it had been discussed in a previous IRC meeting). Thats why I added it to the agenda, and if its okay, I'd like to discuss it again at the IRC Meeting (or forum or wherever its going to be held at).

As for the voice actor's visual character gallery, I was originally going to have them on the actor's page rather them having a separate page, however the wiki's current policy seems to discourage my original plan, so I created pages for them instead. Perhaps the issue could be solved by granting the actors page an exemption from the no gallery rule within an article. Just a possible solution, cause I kinda like the idea of a visual gallery.

By the way, did you like the updated Dallas Wanamaker page, still needs some tweeking, but its certainly improved compared to the original version.

No Offense 5:19 PM September 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was never for tonight, a Friday was a possibility (and still is), but it's not today. I originally suggested someday around the 14th but I'm not sure that's likely. No one has responded yet. If you'd like to re-add the influences topic to the agenda that's fine. I'm simply saying that we did discuss it and the consensus was that users would be allowed to create a page but it'd have to be fully sourced and very limited in terms of speculation. Perhaps the best compromise would be to begin work on a sample section on a sub-page and use that in the discussion? That way we can see more of what the article would actually consist of. Having said that if you keep it fully sourced and free of speculation then you could go ahead and make the page.

Thanks for keeping the galleries separate. The main reasons behind the gallery rule are firstly they don't usually add anything to the wiki that our article content can't. A few exceptions are different versions of skins, box art etc for example. The issue I have with these, and why I think I'd actually oppose merging them into the article is that they wouldn't serve anything extra that the existing content doesn't. I'd be more inclined to add a few images of select characters to accompany the list of who the voice actors have voiced in traditional formatting as opposed to a gallery. The second reason is again copyright, using copyrighted images in a gallery probably isn't "fair use" in most cases which is a major issue.

Yes, Dallas is fantastic. Certainly one of our best articles. Once it's sourced (I'm not asking you to fully source the article, but if you did want too, take a look at Starshield for an idea of what's required - generally speaking most of the article would be simply sourced to Ratchet: Deadlocked as opposed to a YouTube video. Specific scenes can be referenced where appropriate though) and a few minor tweaks it'll be ready for FA nomination and in good timing - we really need some more featured articles! I'm thinking of trying to bring TJ Fixman up to featured status soon, although I don't know how successful I'll be at that. There's a lot of content to cover. I've worked on a few sections offline though and it might be possible. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 22:20, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Come to think, I'm starting to favor the idea of merging all the visual character galleries into one page, because some actors have only one character they voice. As for the fair usage thing, I think we should be fine, we have visual galleries for other stuff anyone. I'm going to work on it for now; if you don't like it or positive that its breaking the fair usage rule, we can't exterminate it later.

No Offense 10:42 AM September 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * To be honest I really don't like them all in one page. Personally I'd rather not have any galleries for the voice actors as I've said, just use a selection of images of characters on the voice actor's page, however I prefer separate pages to one large page. The fair use comes down to why we're using the images and a gallery is simply that - to show the images, rather than to accompany an article etc. Now with Monsterpedias they serve a navigation purpose which I think isn't as clear with these galleries. I won't do anything until you reply. The best action for now (in my opinion) would be to delete the large page and keep the separate pages. Actor's with only one character can just have an image of that character on their page instead. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 16:07, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

You may delete them all, I guess I'll work on just adding pictures to the actors page instead. By the way, can you help me find out who voices Vernon, Eugene and Lucy, its driving me insane. I know two of the children (Kid A and Kid C) are voiced by Mona Marshall, and the other one (Kid B) is voiced by Nika Futterman.

No Offense 12:17 PM September 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll try and transfer a couple of images over to the voice actor's page when I go through them, seeing as you've already found images. And I'll have a look shortly. So Vernon, Eugene and Lucy are credited for voice acting as Kid A, Kid B and Kid C but we don't know which one's which is that right? -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj icon.png Hunterj's Resort 16:20, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, thats how they did it, stupid huh? If we can figure out which two kids have the same voice, or which one has an entirely different voice from the other two, we can figure it out. I'm starting to suspect Vernon is voiced by Nika Futterman, which means the other two are Mona Marshall.

I think she voices Vernon because I think she also used to voice this kid show on PBS that had a character who's voice was EXACTLY the same as Vernon's. I can't remember the show at the moment though, so it'll take awhile to find it and prove my assumption. You might have a faster way then, however.

No Offense 12:36 PM September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Appearances
If something appears in a booklet, official website or strategy guide it should have no appearances just references. Hopefully in the near future, if my proposal to sort out sourcing and references from the IRC meeting agenda goes ahead, then we'll be able to have a sources (bullet point list) section as well as references for websites and strategy guides but for now it would have no appearances, only "sources and references" with a footnote. -- <font face="Aurek-Besh Hand">Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 16:03, September 7, 2013 (UTC)