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Potential edit war - Ratchet Editar
Regarding a dispute over the article Ratchet I would like to strongly suggest you discuss any issues herebefore making any further changes. Thank you, --Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 17:50, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

RatchetEditar
There's no proof that it is an invention. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 18:13, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

So? No evidence that the rest is are lies. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 21:07, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

No. Just no. Your reasoning for reverting is utterly ridiculous. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 23:24, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

No. Your entire argument has failed with that reply since you started using ad hominem and over-emotional attachment. There is nothing to point that the Sasha and Ratchet information is a fabrication. You're just talking nonsense now. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 07:36, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Being here since October 2011 doesn't mean anything. In the past, I've been editing Wikis since January 2010 and have had 18000 edits across Wikia. Due to your personality, I can obviously tell you are thirteen. To say "I know what I am doing because I've been here for just over six months" is arrogant and immature itself, and therefore your entire argument and credibility has now fell flat on it's face. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 07:40, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

o.

"also please remember to stay civil; don't consider this an argument" - Hunterj

Also, what I said about your edit was not insulting. It was right. Your opinion does not matter because it is obviously incorrect.

thefreedictionary.com - au-thor-i-tar-i-an - Adjective - Favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. My actions are not equal to the definition. Why would anybody be compromising to something completely ridiculous?

No. Guessing an age is not arrogant, as you act like a thirteen year old with your way of arguing and personality.

Your absurd excuses for your edit clarify nothing. There is nothing to prove that the Sasha and Ratchet edit are false.

Don't entertain me by arguing with more ad hominems and emotional attachments. You're pretty much just talking crap now. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 12:39, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

No. Every argument you have posted contains over-emotional attachment and ad hominems. E.g. referring to me as an authoritarian. Just because one Vox Newspost has false claims, doesn't mean all others do. I also noticed you have a history of making bizarre edits, including changing the lists of games from chronological order to ridiculous changes. But this latest edit claim of yours just takes the cake. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 12:42, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Editar
Your reply was yet again filled with ad-hominems and over-emotional attachment. Your reasoning for the revert is ridiculous. Several false claims do not mean any other claims are false. Note how you said "I think". That's proof that you are just adding what you personally think. E.g. speculation, guesswork. The way you think it is better does not make it right.

There is no point or sense whatsoever in your absurd edit. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 13:09, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think you'll find that the majority of users are beginning to disagree with your edit. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 13:18, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Re:RatchetEditar
Hello, I am going to strongly suggest that from now onwards you only discuss the issues with the "Ratchet" article on the talk page at the section I created (Talk:Ratchet#Content dispute - avoiding an edit war). That way other members of the community can easily comment and we can have a discussion that resolves the issue instead of an argument. If you have any further questions please let me know. Many thanks, --HunterjHunterj's Resort 14:26, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll respond to that with the following, I'm leaving something similar on Broccoli.'s talk page:
 * Both of you provide some good quality edits to this wiki that are usually consistent to the layout guide, which is important and something I really appreciate. I don't want either of you to feel you cannot edit. Likewise I don't want this argument escalated. In fact I would like to ask it end immediately. I ask that you discuss potential changes to the "Ratchet" article on the talk page linked and do not otherwise communicate to each other where possible, at least for a while. When discussing with each other please do not mention anything personal - take care with your wording to ensure nothing indirect or direct is said; focus only on the issue being discussed. Stay civil and respect each others opinions - please remember to assume good faith ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith ), this will be difficult but is very important as the two of you are locked in an argument.
 * I will monitor the Ratchet talk page discussion to help us come to a conclusion. If for whatever reason you do not feel you can cope with this or stick to these guidelines I suggest you simply ignore the dispute and edit other pages for a while - while this is not ideal I will not think badly with you for doing this and it is better than having a full-blown personal argument which could result in users leaving the wiki.
 * If you have any more questions please speak to me, feel free to come on the IRC as well, I'm on periodically and almost always when I'm editing. Finally, please remember that an argument is simply a waste of time while a discussion is a step towards coming to the right decision. Many thanks, HunterjHunterj's Resort 23:11, July 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * ==Broccoli.Editar==

Two users agreeing with you doesn't make you correct.

Ignorant: "Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".Also, I am in complete knowledge of the situation, therefore I cannot be ignorant.

Arrogant: Having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities. I have done none of this.

Don't say words if you don't know what they mean. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 18:39, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the two users who agreed with me frequented here and were respected across the site. Also, I already knew the definitions, I simply searched for the definition to use them as a source. Talking like that isn't going to give you any credibility. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 18:52, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly cannot understand a single thing your sentence just said. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 19:11, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

You're going to leave just because you're arguing with a person who disagrees with you? That's pretty childish and isn't going to give you any credibility at all. It also hints that you think you're losing and can't accept it.

The rest of us are debating civilly and normally. If you're really going to leave over this, that's pretty pathetic itself and laughable.

My careful debate is stressful to you, and my factual argument is offending you? Get real. This isn't a petting zoo. You posted your opinions on the Internet. Aaaaand, if you post your opinions on the Internet, then you should expect them to be challenged.

Also, I don't know what I'm talking about? Do you even know what you're typing? [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 19:38, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Again, you are wrong, as I am being civil. Uncivil; rude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudeness  [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli. Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 19:45, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

No. They are not a few words. They are important and add a lot to the character's background. Saying that increases your ignorance. I am being civil. If you don't like my "attitude", then leave the Internet.

I am not rude, I simply state things to the point. Don't like it? Then leave the Internet. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ]20:00, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Offensive: Causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset: "offensive language". If you really are deeply hurt or upset by my to-the-point attitude, that's sad. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 20:01, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Then that's just sad. Also,

Successively; in order of sequence.

That doesn't make sense. Successfully would make sense. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 20:43, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

No. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/successive

Now, contribute to the debate instead of talking crap. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 20:55, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

In addition, just because they don't have red eyes, doesn't mean they are not YETI. The YETI in Secret Agent Clank have black eyes just like the UYA ones, but they are still classed as YETI. Also, Secret Agent Clank being a spin-off does not disprove this. Common-sense proves it. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 21:17, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

ShellShockEditar
Your opinion is wrong. I do not have an opinion, I am stating facts. Obviously you haven't even played Team Fortress and have no idea what you're even saying. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 22:33, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

You implied you never played it, when you said "I saw the character on YouTube." If you played the game, you would instantly understand Heavy and wouldn't need the assistance of a video. You're just talking crap now. Lying isn't going to help you, it's just going to damage the reputation that you've mostly lost already.

I don't care if you have a different opinion, I have facts, yours is wrong. My claim is factual, unlike your frivolous claim. Unless you have played Team Fortress, your opinion is invalid and redundant.

Why don't you just leave like you said you were? You're nothing but a vandal trying to start drama and be a nuisance. Obviously you're thirteen. You're not giving yourself any credibility whatsoever. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ]08:41, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

No, you obviously did lie, as you implied it, and now you are making up bull**** to save yourself from the hole you've dug yourself into. You are once again talking nonsense. You are completely incorrect and your opinion is uneducated, assumptive, and ridiculous.

To be honest, in my opinion, you nowhere near qualify for a Featured User.

Vandal: Somebody who damages public property. Your ridiculous dramas are equal to this. I cannot be a vandal, "offending" users is not vandalising, and we don't know if they are offended by the tiniest thing I said, which is nowhere near offensive.

Now, before writing another uneducated essay, why not reconsider your rant about leaving? We could do without your ridiculous claims and dramas here. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 21:50, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

You have not clarified anything in your absurd post. Why not reply with an intelligent counter-argument about Heavy, instead of screaming emotional messages about my attitude is offensive? Stop being soft. I'm not going to pat people, and you especially, on the head for the mere act of cobbling together words instead of fighting against bad logic and reasoning.

This isn't a petting zoo, If you're posting publicly, you're voicing an opinion. And if you're voicing an opinion, especially one as ridiculous as yours, you'd better be prepared to have it torn apart. It's the nature of public discourse. If you can't take the heat, rethink your position and reasoning methodology.

You have addressed none of my points about Heavy with anything beyond "i've watched a team fortress walkthrough i have 1500 edits i know what i'm talking about". If you actually bothered to use your Nature-given cubic centimeters between your ears, you would realise the strikingly similar personality and charisma of Heavy and ShellShock. But you cling on to the one bit of reputation you have and the hole you've dug yourself into. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 22:42, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Talking like that isn't going to give you any credibility. Dismissing me equals that you can't handle standard discourse and agree you have lost. Have fun thirteen-year-old. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 22:58, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted your childish edit on your talk page, as per the rule and policy, which I can link you to here:http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Neffy545?diff=prev&oldid=109829  [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 23:16, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

As per that post by Hunterj, you cannot remove content from your own talk page. However, you may clean it out or archive it if you like. Regards,  [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 23:19, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Did you notice the 4k character long reply that addresses your points above? And your reasons for why Heavy is not a reference are ridiculous. They are hardly reasons, merely a negation of everything I write, justified with the lie "i've watched a video walkthrough i know all about the game". A logical fallacy. Hence, not a reason. All you are doing now is childishly ignoring my factual reasoning, deleting posts, and reverting leaving no reason like a kid who can't handle his entire reasoning being torn to pieces. You are the exact reason I support the invention of a machine to send lethal shocks over the Internet.

If you want to keep your edit and add more to the discussion, don't spam. Your posts have degenerated into nothing but a series of ad-hominems, over-emotional attachments and NO U. If you want to counter my arguments, leave your lying and ignorance at the door and learn more about the Team Fortress. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli. Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 10:04, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Edit warEditar
Hello, I have noticed the series of edit wars with Broccoli that have occurred. I therefore request that any edit of his you disagree with or contest, instead of reverting or editing it, you link the revision to an administrator. I'm working on a reversion/edit war policy that I'll put up to vote in a forum soon so we all know where we stand. If you have any further questions please let me know. Many thanks, --Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 15:19, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

RatchetEditar
So that you are aware, it is my understanding that the current agreement over Ratchet is that the article is to refer to Vox News content as claims made by Vox News (which is as it is now). If you wish to debate this further please use Talk:Ratchet. Many thanks, --Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 01:27, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

NonsenseEditar
No. Your opinion is incorrect does not matter until you can speak intelligently and make proper edits. Until then, your opinion and argument is invalid. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 17:00, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

RatchetEditar
Hello, due to a series of arguments I would like to kindly request any conflicting edits with Broccoli. are reported to an administrator rather than dealt with yourself. While I am not saying you have done anything wrong I am trying to diffuse the situation and would greatly appreciate your co-operation. Please let me know if you have any issues or concerns. If you would prefer to contact me more confidentially you can contact me via e-mail at hunterj12swgmail com

Many thanks, --Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 17:14, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 19:38, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should also be mentioned that they were in a relationship, as Vox said "the celebrity couple", and made several other references that they were. [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User:Broccoli.  Broc  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Broccoli.  msg  ] [http://ratchet.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Broccoli.  Blog  ] 21:52, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would agree with Broccoli. --Hunterj Hunterj's Resort 21:54, July 23, 2012 (UTC)